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[savannah-help-public] ask for some kind of moderation/help with project registration
j***@riseup.net
2018-07-02 18:21:37 UTC
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Hi community,

I write here asking for help,

we are stuck with my project registration,
https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?14968

I don't know if it's a language barrier, or misunderstood,, but it's
definitevely wasting my time, and partner Ineiev's

I registered other projects with Assaf Gordon in the past in a quick and
very didactic way. And now I fear I won't register mine because I don't
will or I'm not capable. (Ineiev dixit)

so please, really, help

Joa
j***@riseup.net
2018-07-20 09:35:46 UTC
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Hi again!

Isn't any mechanism of moderation?

what happend if a conflict raises?

I really feels coerced with all this, when I think I offer full
collaboration.

it seems it will never end and it's PROPAGATING to other project I have
https://savannah.nongnu.org/support/index.php?109527

that's crazy Xd

Happy Hacking
and best regards, truly, to all people doing a hard and a NICE work!

Joa
Post by j***@riseup.net
Hi community,
I write here asking for help,
we are stuck with my project registration,
https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?14968
I don't know if it's a language barrier, or misunderstood,, but it's
definitevely wasting my time, and partner Ineiev's
I registered other projects with Assaf Gordon in the past in a quick and
very didactic way. And now I fear I won't register mine because I don't
will or I'm not capable. (Ineiev dixit)
so please, really, help
Joa
Alfred M. Szmidt
2018-07-20 19:14:46 UTC
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Isn't any mechanism of moderation?

This is the mechanism for moderation, Ineiev is doing exactly that.

I really feels coerced with all this, when I think I offer full
collaboration.

Savannah has a set of guidelines that are stricter than most other
hosting sites, if you cannot follow them that is fine, but then we
cannot host it on Savannah. These guidelines might change, so
sometimes maintainers will get asked to update their projects
accordindly. And sometimes issues are found post-fact, like in this
case.

it seems it will never end and it's PROPAGATING to other project I
have https://savannah.nongnu.org/support/index.php?109527

The request is very simple, and it is applied for all projects on
Savannah. It should be very easy for you, familiar with the project,
to check that _all_ files carry proper license notices. The Savannah
reviewers don't go through every file, they only do a spot check that
things are looking good, so asking for the list of files is doing the
job that you as the maintainer of a project are responsible for.
j***@riseup.net
2018-07-21 07:35:04 UTC
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Post by Alfred M. Szmidt
Savannah has a set of guidelines that are stricter than most other
hosting sites, if you cannot follow them that is fine, but then we
cannot host it on Savannah. These guidelines might change, so
sometimes maintainers will get asked to update their projects
accordindly. And sometimes issues are found post-fact, like in this
case.
well, when I call conflict and ask for moderation is not for not being
able to follow the GNU Savannah guidelines.

I'm glad to follow them, I encourage people at my surroundings to do
that saying that savannah is better than others because you are going to
learn how licensing software properly.

What I find difficult is following Ineiev's indications:
(obviously my point of view)

- use vague expresions as "many files has..." "some files has..." "Yes,
the copyright notices are OK (where they are present)" ...

- he sais "all are many" so when he sais many files, it can be ALL
files...

- he sais
Post by Alfred M. Szmidt
By the way, since you mentioned your earlier projects, I suggest that you should also check them and bring in compliance if needed.
But When I talked about my first projects? it was asking for help and
moderation, not in the task!
He has afterwards opened a task, and place a message in the submission
task saying: "This task depends on sr #109527."
Well, the only connection between the submission task and my first
project is me, so I feel obviously it has become personal.
Post by Alfred M. Szmidt
Some files in your tarball still lack notices. If you are not willing or unable to follow Savannah policies, we'd better not register your package."
when I'm trying to follow guidelines, every criptic Ineiev's message is
answered the best I can with a source code fix.
Why this kind of menace?

So No, I don't feel he is doing a moderation work and I ask for help.
Post by Alfred M. Szmidt
it seems it will never end and it's PROPAGATING to other project I
have https://savannah.nongnu.org/support/index.php?109527
The request is very simple, and it is applied for all projects on
Savannah. It should be very easy for you, familiar with the project,
to check that _all_ files carry proper license notices. The Savannah
reviewers don't go through every file, they only do a spot check that
things are looking good, so asking for the list of files is doing the
job that you as the maintainer of a project are responsible for.
well, the task doesn't say:
"check that all files carry proper license notices"
or easier " there are new files where you have forgotten the license
notice"
Post by Alfred M. Szmidt
Carefully read Savannah hosting requirements. Evaluate Maimonides against them. Summarize the work done and the results for each criterion.
So, let me be didactic.
Carefully read Savannah hosting requirements. Visit your first Savannah project and evaluate it against them. Summarize the work done and the results for each criterion.
well, some kind of paternalist strange way of didactics. :-/

happy hacking!
Joa
Alfred M. Szmidt) >From: (Alfred M. Szmidt
2018-07-21 09:12:45 UTC
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You can surley find the time to go through the files yourself to see
which ones lack a copyright notice if you can find the time to write a
response here.
j***@riseup.net
2018-07-22 07:13:10 UTC
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Post by Alfred M. Szmidt) >From: (Alfred M. Szmidt
You can surley find the time to go through the files yourself to see
which ones lack a copyright notice if you can find the time to write a
response here.
Hi ***@gnu.org!

what? I'm sorry but I'm lost now, which one lacks a copyright notice
where?

the task sais:
```
Carefully read Savannah hosting requirements. Evaluate Maimonides
against them. Summarize the work done and the results for each
criterion.
```

and in submission I'm waiting Ineiev's reponse.

by the way, I've time to write mails because it's my daily tool,
summarize work and do homeworks isn't it.

Also I think you normalize a situation for me clearly not normal with
your reponse, and no mention at all of my previous arguments.


happy hacking
Joa
Alfred M. Szmidt
2018-07-22 09:03:48 UTC
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You can surley find the time to go through the files yourself to see
which ones need ammending.
j***@riseup.net
2018-07-22 09:31:04 UTC
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Post by Alfred M. Szmidt) >From: (Alfred M. Szmidt
You can surley find the time to go through the files yourself to see
which ones need ammending.
Hi ***@gnu.org! (are you Alfred?)

For breaking the loop, as I've already said task created clearly sais:
"
Carefully read Savannah hosting requirements. Evaluate Maimonides
against them. Summarize the work done and the results for each
criterion.
"

This is my proposal I find fair enough:

- close the task https://savannah.nongnu.org/support/?109527, it has a
too broad scope, it's vague, it has no precedents...

- open a new one, as normal tasks are created, centered in a bug found,
focused in a reduced group of files, into a practical and nice task as
for example:
"Hi Joa, I found your new files in project lacks the correct copyrigth
notice, fix it please"

- this task is not related to the submission of my last project of
course, are different projects, and issues.

best regards, and please take my text as being written with the most
positive mood and constructive intentions.
Joa

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